I agree with your trane of thought on the issue. What Russia does however have something to gain by going through the Ukraine 🇺🇦. Although the Ukraine is landlocked, a seaport on the other side of them would be rather valuable. Which would allow free movement of logistical supplies, arms, oil or whatever with no hindrance or tarrifs to other trading nations. If we consider relations and political agendas we can see the following:
Poland, Hungary, and Slovakia have differing relationships with Russia, shaped by their unique political and historical contexts:
- **Poland**: Poland is strongly opposed to Russia's actions, particularly after the invasion of Ukraine. Relations between the two countries are tense, with Poland being a vocal supporter of Ukraine and a critic of Russian policies
- **Hungary**: Hungary has a more complex relationship with Russia. Its Prime Minister, Viktor Orbán, has maintained economic and political ties with Moscow, which has drawn criticism from other European nations. Hungary has also been hesitant to fully align with Western sanctions against Russia
- **Slovakia**: Slovakia's stance is somewhat divided. While the country is a NATO member and supports Ukraine, its leadership has faced criticism for maintaining certain ties with Russia. This has led to political debates and protests within Slovakia
This is a sticky subject, however consider the economic strain that surrounding nations would have with Russia, and Russia also by itself.
Yes, Poland, Hungary, and Slovakia all engage in trade with Russia, though the extent and nature of their trade relationships vary:
- **Poland**: Despite strained political relations, Poland trades with Russia, primarily importing energy resources like petroleum and natural gas. However, trade volumes have significantly decreased due to EU sanctions and Poland's efforts to reduce dependency on Russian energy
- **Hungary**: Hungary maintains a notable trade relationship with Russia, especially in energy. It imports large quantities of natural gas and crude oil, and its government has been criticized for its relatively close economic ties with Moscow
- **Slovakia**: Slovakia also trades with Russia, with energy products like natural gas and crude oil being the primary imports. However, Slovakia has been working to diversify its energy sources in line with EU sanctions and policies
So you see not only does Russia have some things at stake, but also each country will suffer. Now with Ukraine there is the problem with the pipelines feeding the Ukrain. I will not go into that quaqmire. It has its own stench.
Then there is a violation to treaties of sorts. All parties in particular participating.
1. **The NATO-Russia Founding Act (1997)**: This agreement aimed to build trust and cooperation between NATO and Russia. It included commitments to transparency in military activities and the reduction of nuclear weapons in Europe.
2. **The Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty (1987)**: While not a NATO treaty, this U.S.-Soviet agreement banned intermediate-range missiles in Europe. It indirectly affected NATO and European security. Unfortunately, the treaty collapsed in 2019 due to accusations of violations by both the U.S. and Russia.
3. **The Budapest Memorandum (1994)**: Although not a NATO treaty, this agreement involved Ukraine, Russia, the U.S., and the U.K. It provided security assurances to Ukraine in exchange for giving up its nuclear arsenal. Russia's actions in Ukraine have been widely seen as a violation of this agreement.
Consider pipelines that are now cut-off to the Ukraine, The Druzhba, Soyuz, and Urengoy–Pomary–Uzhhorod.
The Nord Stream** system. The Nord Stream pipelines (Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2) are separate natural gas pipelines that run under the Baltic Sea, directly connecting Russia to Germany. These pipelines bypass Ukraine entirely. So dominance and control of that resource is questionable. Nord 1 blow up by someone and Nord 2 not fully finished and ceased when the war with Ukraine started in 2022.
Could it be that the major goal all along was to secure strategic territories like Crimea, Odessa and parts of the Donbas region for future use?
I apologize in advance for texting so much. Just some food for thought. I’d like to add to what you've already stated. However, I know we can go even deeper down the rabbit hole.
Excellent. In my time in those countries I learned a lot and it's consistent with your summary here. My focus on geography and military reality of where one would go to "invade all of Europe" is well balanced by your focus on the political landscape. To me the bottom line is everybody loses in a war, but everybody could benefit from good markets and exchange of goods.
My grandmother taught me that reasonable opinions are supported by good reason that is rooted in lots of reading and reflection. It is easy to see that your opinion is reasonable and rooted in reading.
O, that our rhetoric on matters like would be more like yours! How different (and better!) might our conversations, communities, and common understanding of ourselves and the world around us be!
In 1991 the USA promised Russia that nato would not grow further east. Then in 1994 several countries near Russia were admitted to nato. Eventually Russia said STOP. I don't really blame Russia. How would we feel if Russia or it's cohorts built bases or labs on our borders with Mexico or Canada? Remember the Cuban missile crisis?
I don't know much about life in Russia, mostly what I know is propaganda the swamp has fed us. But I am proud to be an American and feel blest to have Trump as my president. What i have now is hope...for a better life than the last 4 embarrassing years.
Think about what has transpired since the downfall of the USSR. 1993 William J Clinton fired William Sessions, the FBI Director under Reagan. Does anyone know what William Sessions did for the remaining part of his life? He became the defense counsel for Semion Mogilevich, Ukraines mafioso for over decades out of his San Antonio law office until he died in 2020. So, please tell me how our IC didn't know what was going on in the Ukraine via all these BIO PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES that began infiltration back in 2000's. How many Congressional Representatives grabbed onto this GRAVY TRAIN in stock portfolios. So, yes they have been raping the American people for decades ....
I agree with your trane of thought on the issue. What Russia does however have something to gain by going through the Ukraine 🇺🇦. Although the Ukraine is landlocked, a seaport on the other side of them would be rather valuable. Which would allow free movement of logistical supplies, arms, oil or whatever with no hindrance or tarrifs to other trading nations. If we consider relations and political agendas we can see the following:
Poland, Hungary, and Slovakia have differing relationships with Russia, shaped by their unique political and historical contexts:
- **Poland**: Poland is strongly opposed to Russia's actions, particularly after the invasion of Ukraine. Relations between the two countries are tense, with Poland being a vocal supporter of Ukraine and a critic of Russian policies
- **Hungary**: Hungary has a more complex relationship with Russia. Its Prime Minister, Viktor Orbán, has maintained economic and political ties with Moscow, which has drawn criticism from other European nations. Hungary has also been hesitant to fully align with Western sanctions against Russia
- **Slovakia**: Slovakia's stance is somewhat divided. While the country is a NATO member and supports Ukraine, its leadership has faced criticism for maintaining certain ties with Russia. This has led to political debates and protests within Slovakia
This is a sticky subject, however consider the economic strain that surrounding nations would have with Russia, and Russia also by itself.
Yes, Poland, Hungary, and Slovakia all engage in trade with Russia, though the extent and nature of their trade relationships vary:
- **Poland**: Despite strained political relations, Poland trades with Russia, primarily importing energy resources like petroleum and natural gas. However, trade volumes have significantly decreased due to EU sanctions and Poland's efforts to reduce dependency on Russian energy
- **Hungary**: Hungary maintains a notable trade relationship with Russia, especially in energy. It imports large quantities of natural gas and crude oil, and its government has been criticized for its relatively close economic ties with Moscow
- **Slovakia**: Slovakia also trades with Russia, with energy products like natural gas and crude oil being the primary imports. However, Slovakia has been working to diversify its energy sources in line with EU sanctions and policies
So you see not only does Russia have some things at stake, but also each country will suffer. Now with Ukraine there is the problem with the pipelines feeding the Ukrain. I will not go into that quaqmire. It has its own stench.
Then there is a violation to treaties of sorts. All parties in particular participating.
1. **The NATO-Russia Founding Act (1997)**: This agreement aimed to build trust and cooperation between NATO and Russia. It included commitments to transparency in military activities and the reduction of nuclear weapons in Europe.
2. **The Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty (1987)**: While not a NATO treaty, this U.S.-Soviet agreement banned intermediate-range missiles in Europe. It indirectly affected NATO and European security. Unfortunately, the treaty collapsed in 2019 due to accusations of violations by both the U.S. and Russia.
3. **The Budapest Memorandum (1994)**: Although not a NATO treaty, this agreement involved Ukraine, Russia, the U.S., and the U.K. It provided security assurances to Ukraine in exchange for giving up its nuclear arsenal. Russia's actions in Ukraine have been widely seen as a violation of this agreement.
Consider pipelines that are now cut-off to the Ukraine, The Druzhba, Soyuz, and Urengoy–Pomary–Uzhhorod.
The Nord Stream** system. The Nord Stream pipelines (Nord Stream 1 and Nord Stream 2) are separate natural gas pipelines that run under the Baltic Sea, directly connecting Russia to Germany. These pipelines bypass Ukraine entirely. So dominance and control of that resource is questionable. Nord 1 blow up by someone and Nord 2 not fully finished and ceased when the war with Ukraine started in 2022.
Could it be that the major goal all along was to secure strategic territories like Crimea, Odessa and parts of the Donbas region for future use?
I apologize in advance for texting so much. Just some food for thought. I’d like to add to what you've already stated. However, I know we can go even deeper down the rabbit hole.
Excellent. In my time in those countries I learned a lot and it's consistent with your summary here. My focus on geography and military reality of where one would go to "invade all of Europe" is well balanced by your focus on the political landscape. To me the bottom line is everybody loses in a war, but everybody could benefit from good markets and exchange of goods.
Well thought out, and well-written, Sir.
My grandmother taught me that reasonable opinions are supported by good reason that is rooted in lots of reading and reflection. It is easy to see that your opinion is reasonable and rooted in reading.
O, that our rhetoric on matters like would be more like yours! How different (and better!) might our conversations, communities, and common understanding of ourselves and the world around us be!
Thank You for what you do. I am praying for you!
I think Russia is a more godly nation than most in the world. Let’s cultivate a workable friendship with them instead of enmity.
Makes so much sense!
Well said!
In 1991 the USA promised Russia that nato would not grow further east. Then in 1994 several countries near Russia were admitted to nato. Eventually Russia said STOP. I don't really blame Russia. How would we feel if Russia or it's cohorts built bases or labs on our borders with Mexico or Canada? Remember the Cuban missile crisis?
I don't know much about life in Russia, mostly what I know is propaganda the swamp has fed us. But I am proud to be an American and feel blest to have Trump as my president. What i have now is hope...for a better life than the last 4 embarrassing years.
The Ukraine is a gateway to Russia. When we started talking about adding the Ukraine to NATO is when the trouble started.
Excellent read!
Think about what has transpired since the downfall of the USSR. 1993 William J Clinton fired William Sessions, the FBI Director under Reagan. Does anyone know what William Sessions did for the remaining part of his life? He became the defense counsel for Semion Mogilevich, Ukraines mafioso for over decades out of his San Antonio law office until he died in 2020. So, please tell me how our IC didn't know what was going on in the Ukraine via all these BIO PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANIES that began infiltration back in 2000's. How many Congressional Representatives grabbed onto this GRAVY TRAIN in stock portfolios. So, yes they have been raping the American people for decades ....